Re: Logic, and lack thereof.

Posted by Utahraptor on 15 February 1999 at 08:28:35:

In Reply to: Logic, and lack thereof. posted by The Host on 14 February 1999 at 17:13:51:

: Told you I'd come back were I so compelled.

: I've read pretty much the entire theological debate, stemmed by Utahraptor, and have come to several conclusions. Before I begin, I would like to remind you that I *am* an atheist; however, I have an open mind: and I despise fanatical, illogical arguments.

: Now, Utah, I'm sorry, but you really haven't a proverbial leg to stand on. I don't want to sound cocky, but I have taken (well, actually, am taking) a course in logic, rhetoric and argumentation, and so I can easily spot fallicious statements. And your entire argument, your entire stance, your entire logical mode is based upon a single fallacy: that of petitio principii, or 'question begging.' This simply means that your arguments and conclusion are one in the same. You are, ironically (perhaps somewhat fittingly), making the same mistake that most fundamentalists make. You are stating that something is because it is.

: Simply reduced, your argument is, 'An all-powerful creator cannot exist because an all-powerful creator cannot exist.' This assumptative statement renders all of your supporting 'evidence,' indeed, your entire position, moot. You have presented absolutely no logical proof or clear evidence to support your case, because you have not structured your case in a logical way. You're saying that these things can't exist because they can't, and this is logically invalid. You have to show why they can't exist, which you haven't successfully done.

Actually, the point I'm making si to provide reaosn that they cna ro cna't. I'm saying that withotu an all powerufl God, most of this stuff cna't really happen. whether God si or sin't all powerful isn;t the point. The point si these people assume He is, has no proof except that HE said He was, and hence when asked baout thes ehtigns, they insist that eys a small ark cna hold a lot if God so wishes it. BUt wihtout proof God is all powerful, and there's more evidence to the contrary (ie, God cna't control certain events, ie the detah fo a world elader, which launched WW1, or keeping humans form constantly going evil, or even letting theme xist if He kenw htey'd be so evil.) SO withotu an all powerful God, there's no basis for these htigns. UNless I'm missing somehtign, whcih si what the readers ahd a chance to do. Show em hwo God coudl do these things without jsut wnating it. NOne of that Let tehr ebe light and there si stuff. I eman, how. Did eh wave a hand, shrink the animals,a dn when you take the rib of soemoen,a dn amek aniother of them, even if a different sex, it's called cloning. Same wiht a virgin birht. IF no man proves his love to ehr, then a kid msut coem from the cloning process of the egg cell.
I htink youa ll were expectign soemthign different for my post,a nd hen you couldn't find it, got all upset and stuff. IT wa snever God cna't be casue HE cna't be, it's if God isn't, then how did this all happen, or are the stories clealry wrong. And ehck, I even agve reasons supporitng hwo these thigns cna happen inr eality. BUt I think you poepel are reading too much onto what I worte, then nto udnerstanding hwo could not do what you thought I was trying to do.

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