Posted by Utahraptor on 30 June 1999 at 10:38:45:

In Reply to: This one's too dumb not to post... posted by Gremlin on 28 June 1999 at 17:53:26:

: Graham Wellington wrote in message <7l66tb$vqg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...

: I see it's furlough week at the institution again. You people just don't get run over by busses often enough.

: Lemee hold my breath for a few minutes and try to think down to your level on this...

: >10) ATHEISM CANNOT PROVIDE A GOOD ANSWER.
: >Atheists tried to prove to you that there is no God but they did not in
: >any way provide any proofs that their disbelief in GOD is justified or
: >even logical.
Yet no one supporting GId had anythign justified or logicla either. JUstt heis magic book written by a human being (known to lie), and 2000 years out of date. Actually, I've heard many logical reasonings that there is no God. Whetehr this was said by an aathiest ro not "IF there was a God, the world wouldn't be in such bad shape" it is still logical.

: >To this moment they cannot provide an answer on how the universe came to
: >existence.

I liked the one about how universe pop into and out fo existance through anturla alws of science (whichever) and last emre seconds, while the occupants experience billions fo years. Course, that theory provides for how GOd cna be all powerful and all knowing (which He ain't.) Due tot he bubble stuff, anyoen existign otuside the bubble will simultaneously live int eh past present and future. WHich expalisn God's super brain. PLus, if God leave shis bubble,a nd either ahs the power to, ro gaisnt he power to directly efefct our bubble universe, that explains how He works. Plus, I think He's in a space suit fos oemsorts, cause I doubt H cna survive int eh palce where Universes exist.

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: >There are no collaborating evidents to Show that the universe is
: >eternal.

Nohting to shwo it ain't. But I belive it will eventually end. Can't prove it, but I can belive stuff not proven. Opinions and all that.

: And what, exactly, has an eternal universe got to do with a lack of gods?

Perhaps God can only be eternal in an eternal universe. No, that defeats the purpose of his inate ramblings. Well, unelss you count Heavena s it's own Universe, then it cna be Eternal, and suppsoedly is.

: >No atheists can prove that acausal events governed by the
: >unpredictability of quantum mechanic caused the universe to appear.

NO believer cna prove how God has the power to make a Universe. I say He was formed fromt he same stuff during the Big Bang. IF the Universe is a body, GOd's the brain. I also liek a paradimensional beign creatign thsi Unvierse, ort aking it voer, myself.

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: >Not an iota of observation proves that the universe is in a state of
: >timeloop.I agree that there is no proof. BUt I also don't believe it is, proof or otherwise. Thouhg soemtimes I wonder.

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: >ZIP.

: CODE
Drive. Boards. Adee do dah. Zipadee A. My oh my what a whacked out loser this believer is.

: >So how is it different than the assertion/assumption that GOD created
: >the universe?I don't think it is. Just another theory for existance.

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: >9) ATHEISTS CANNOT PROVE THAT GOD did not exists.

:
: We'll pretend that this sentence makes sense.

Can't. I tired, but he lsot me on exists. Plural?
And here the counting down stops. NO fair. What was David Letterman's Top Ten REAsosn why thsi idiot believes Atheists are wrong?

: >The default belief of humankind is that GOD exists

:
: Huh? What, it's encoded into the homosapien bios now? Why wasn't I told...

It could be. Though in relaity, are not beliefs or lack thereof base don choice or brianwashing? Do you not choose to not belive in GOd, or the posisblity, or whatever? Do you not choose to just acceot the spoon feeding fo God and what you're to mindlessly belive? I doubt one is preprogramme dfor oen over than the other. Seems you decide, or decide not to decide.

: >.In all society and communities the belief in a DEITY or deities is as
: >old as humankind itself.

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: Humankind is three million years old; religion is a few millennia;um...you're lying again, aren't you...

Soems ay cavemen worshipped a diety. Course, even barring the current beliefs in God, people believe that throwing a virgin into a volcanoe wills top it from erupting (plugs it up.) Yet,s trangely enough, the volcanoe knows the diff between a virgina nd non, and does not like non virgins. So, doe soen really wnat to say huamns always belive in a diety? NOt a good defense, really. These peopel thought the eclipse was the sun being eaten by a monster.

: >Atheism is new and atheism is in the minority.Therefore the burden of
: >proof that God did not exist is on them.

:
: New *and* improved, actually. Of course, after six months on the market, we had to change the name to CokeII.

OK, so a minority is wrong without proof? That's most illogical. esecially sicne the amjorty neve reven considers what they're told.

: >The analogy of invisible Pink Unicorn is not acceptable.

:
: Bitch! Dis' *not* the IPU!

I like the idea of all creation being done by a Potato.

: >Because mankind as a whole never accepted Unicorns to exist.

Mankind as a whole has never accepted a life controlling Diety either.

: What has mankind, as a whole, ever accepted to exist? Name one thing, and I'll give you the negatives of your mother.

Mankind as a whole has yet to accept that mankind even exists. Or as whatw e say we are. mayeb we're all apitnigns, or a video game, etc. A TV show has been my personal fav. You viewers rock.

: >Whereas mankind as a whole accepted the existence of GOD/s.
See above for why you are wrong.

:
: Shouldn't that be 'god.com/s'?
I think .org for roganiztion is more appropriate.

: >UNDER no condition have atheists proof that God did not exist.

Nor do you any that He ever did. IT's all heresay and circumstantial.

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: >8) ATHEISTS ADMIT THEY DON:T KNOW.

At least they do. when will you admitt that you don't now either?

: Any chance you could start proofing your punctuation?

I see his puncuattion. That's proof it exists.

: >Atheists admit they don't know for sure about this and about that.

At least they do. Did you ever have that creepy Deja Vu feeling?

: >If a man admits that he doesn't know completely about certain issue,he
: >can't deny that there is a possibility that his stand on that issue is
: >wrong.

:
: Apart from the typing skills, that sentence was the first to make any sense.

Agreed, yet he can't admitt to knwoing completely about GOd, so I see hsi double standard is showing.

: >Yet atheist instead of saying " I don't know whether to believe or to
: >disbelieve in GOD " say " I disbelieve in GOD "

I think that menas thye knwo whether to belive or not. They choose not to. Whether they are right si the question. NOt whether they should belive.

: >Therefore their rejection ( since they admit they don't know) of God is
: >based on mere hatred and emotion and is not logical..
Hatred of a God whoa badoned htem, maybe. Which si forme motons too. And therefore, quite logical. Whether this is their feeling or not, I do not say.

: Listen, Spock: the rejection of the absurd has nothing to do with hatred. Hatred is when we blow up churches. And you don't get to use the wod 'therefore' until you have something from which a conclusion can be drawn.

OK, Spock was half human, and had emotions at leats ocne. This guy is more liek Tuvock from Voyager. Full of shit, I mean Fully Vulcan.

: >7) ATHEISTS ARGUMENT AGAINST PASCAL WAGER is FAULTY.
: >Atheists argue that PASCAL Wager is a defective theory because you might
: >end up in a hell of a different GOD.
: >Here again atheists failed to see that the argument is based on
: >probability.
: >If you are a theist then you might or might not go to hell.
: >But if you are an atheist there are only two possibilites to you.
: >ETERNAL DEATH, or ETERNAL HELL

Ooh, Umbers again. wlel, I'm not sure God will deny Heaven to someone who just doesn't belive inn Him. There's a lot mroe people breaking a lot mroe Commandments who are worse than atheists.

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: Lemee show you a theory here: your godexists, but is so shy that it never shows itself. So, those of us who don't believe in him are smiled upon, and the rest of you twits all go directly to hell for incessantly praying at him. Hell is a preternatural restraining order.

OK, some have said Heaven's on a diff time than we are, so maybe GOd ahs been away for only 1 day His time, 2000+ years ours.

: >Various religions tolerated other religions but never tolerated ATHEISM.

Um, Jews do ahve a religon, that hasn't been tolerate dmuch by anybody, yet many of oru ideas became Christian ones (Presents for the good, spring time celebration, hiding Maztoh. And God, and Jesus, too.) THis guy keeps making a case aginst himself.

And this anti tolertaion is mroe reason for Eternal Hell for you guys, you know.

: >ISLAM for example in QURAN says that as long as somebody believes in GOD
: >and the DAY of Judgement God might forgive him whether he is a Christian
: >or Jews or even Star worshipper.

I think msot religions do. And I;m not sure if atheists say belivers cna't get in if there is one.

:
: Islam, youslam, weallslam for islam...
ISALM!

: >Hinduism also said that Nivana can be achieved by being righteous and
: >worshipping one of God's many manifestation.

Yeah so? Whos ays they are right? Reincarnationc an eb a crok.

: And Douglas Adams said that Vogon destroyer ships hang in the air in exactly the same manner that bricks don't. So is that canon to reality too? Can we submit it in time to slip it into the 2000 Encyclopaedia Britannica?
OK, I persoanlyl belive that a Vogon ship can't hang in the exact same manner as a brick.

: >BUT all religions offer just one exit to atheists: ETERNAL HELL.
: >THEREFORE atheists can hope for eternal DEATH at best ,( if there is no
: >GOD) and eternal HELL at worst.

Isn't that two exists then? And did God ever actually say thsoe who do nto believe will nevr get into Heaven? and mroe improtantly, ahs an atheist ever said they will never belive under any circumstances?

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: Yikes. Logical Thing Number Two. You;re not calling atheism a religion. Good for you; have a star sticker...

For a while, I thought he was.

: >6) ATHEISM IS CONTRARY TO HUMAN NATURE.
IS that even possible? can soemhtign occur that is contrary to one's nature. Doesn't hypnotism say you cna't goa gaisnt your nature? He's grapsing at straws now, isn't he?

: >The HUMAN nature is to believe in GOD and higher beings.

UM, no one si higer than GOd. every beliver knows htis. SO, you jsut sent yourslef along the oath to eternal Death or HEll.

: >Atheism can only flourished in a TOTALITARIAN state such as communist
: >China and former USSR.

And in non, many religions pop up. Can't human nature produce one stroy?

: >Atheists are outcasts and perverts in the history of mankind.

Outcasts I cna see. Perverts? How?

: Yeah. Bill Gates, Steve Hawking, Arthur C. Clarke...what a bunch of losers...

I think BIll Gates sucks.

: >5)Don't you atheists wonder why they can influence so many people?

Money for Gates.
: Because people are stupid?And the money. Pay someone enough, and thye'll becoem an atheist. Or however it's done.

: >Because of their sincerity ,honesty and miracles !!!

: GAte sis honets now? Now that's a miracle.

: >Their lasting impression on their followers resulted in generations of
: >ardent believers that are willing to die and overcome opression.
For Microsoft? And that's a good thing?

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: >THE Followers of JESUS were not only willing to die for him but also
: >transformed THE ROMAN EMPIRE :-

Yet Jesus died, they did not. Soem followers thye turned ou to be. where the I am Spartacus mentality when you really need it?

:
: ...into a world of American Gladiators.

LOL

: >Surely this proves to you atheists that there are something significant
: >and extraordinary about these spiritual leaders.??

BUt thta doens't prove there's a god. Just that many do belive in Him.

OK, I belive, but I dnbeounce everything this guy wrote in our defense. Anywya, there's mroe reaosn to belive the atheists are right, than belivers. especially theway these guys do it.

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