Bubble Stuff?
Posted by Gremlin on 30 June 1999 at 11:40:53:
In Reply to: Re: These Peopel Give God Supporters A Bad Name posted by Utahraptor on 30 June 1999 at 10:38:45:
: Yet no one supporting GId had anythign justified or logicla either. JUstt heis magic book written by a human being (known to lie), and 2000 years out of date. Actually, I've heard many logical reasonings that there is no God. Whetehr this was said by an aathiest ro not "IF there was a God, the world wouldn't be in such bad shape" it is still logical.
The existence of gods has nothing to do with the state of the world. I'm a god over everything I wrote, and the environments in my books are usually less than paradise.
: I liked the one about how universe pop into and out fo existance through anturla alws of science (whichever) and last emre seconds, while the occupants experience billions fo years. Course, that theory provides for how GOd cna be all powerful and all knowing (which He ain't.) Due tot he bubble stuff, anyoen existign otuside the bubble will simultaneously live int eh past present and future. WHich expalisn God's super brain. PLus, if God leave shis bubble,a nd either ahs the power to, ro gaisnt he power to directly efefct our bubble universe, that explains how He works. Plus, I think He's in a space suit fos oemsorts, cause I doubt H cna survive int eh palce where Universes exist.
What in hell is Bubble Stuff? And why would a deity need a spacesuit?
: Nohting to shwo it ain't. But I belive it will eventually end. Can't prove it, but I can belive stuff not proven. Opinions and all that.
I try not to believe in opinions. That's how people start to care what other people think.
: Perhaps God can only be eternal in an eternal universe. No, that defeats the purpose of his inate ramblings. Well, unelss you count Heavena s it's own Universe, then it cna be Eternal, and suppsoedly is.
Heaven isn't a universe. It's a place decribed in a very boring novel. And it's not eternal: it's only existed since the bible was written.
: NO believer cna prove how God has the power to make a Universe. I say He was formed fromt he same stuff during the Big Bang. IF the Universe is a body, GOd's the brain. I also liek a paradimensional beign creatign thsi Unvierse, ort aking it voer, myself.
That fails to make any sense at all. There's no evidence to suggest that the universe was ever made at all. And none to indicate that gods have ever existed.
: It could be. Though in relaity, are not beliefs or lack thereof base don choice or brianwashing? Do you not choose to not belive in GOd, or the posisblity, or whatever? Do you not choose to just acceot the spoon feeding fo God and what you're to mindlessly belive? I doubt one is preprogramme dfor oen over than the other. Seems you decide, or decide not to decide.
Wrong. It's not really a concious decision to lack belief in the absurd. There are lots o things I don't believe in. But I couldn't make a list of them. The concept of gods is one I happened across when a bunch of idiots started telling me about the whole idea, and I asked them what they were talking about, and they didn't have any logical answers. It's not that disbelieving is cool, it's that trying to believe in a god is like trying to believe that the planet is flat.
: Soems ay cavemen worshipped a diety. Course, even barring the current beliefs in God, people believe that throwing a virgin into a volcanoe wills top it from erupting (plugs it up.) Yet,s trangely enough, the volcanoe knows the diff between a virgina nd non, and does not like non virgins. So, doe soen really wnat to say huamns always belive in a diety? NOt a good defense, really. These peopel thought the eclipse was the sun being eaten by a monster.
Um...tossing two hundred pounds of wet meat into a volcano isn't likely to 'plug it up'. It would be like dropping a BB into the barrel of a nine millimetre pistol to keep the bullet from coming out.
: OK, so a minority is wrong without proof? That's most illogical. esecially sicne the amjorty neve reven considers what they're told.
I thought that one was funny as hell. There was a time, not long ago, when the xians were the minority. How quickly they forget. Thinking about it, xians are still the minority...
: I like the idea of all creation being done by a Potato.
News to me...
: Mankind as a whole has never accepted a life controlling Diety either.
True.
: Mankind as a whole has yet to accept that mankind even exists. Or as whatw e say we are. mayeb we're all apitnigns, or a video game, etc. A TV show has been my personal fav. You viewers rock.
I really doubt it.
: Nor do you any that He ever did. IT's all heresay and circumstantial.
Why do you keep capitalising 'he'? : At least they do. when will you admitt that you don't now either? That's the real question, isn't it.../FONT> : Agreed, yet he can't admitt to knwoing completely about GOd, so I see hsi double standard is showing. Typical. : I think that menas thye knwo whether to belive or not. They choose not to. Whether they are right si the question. NOt whether they should belive. The question is: 'does it matter whether we believe". What, are theists on commission or something? : Hatred of a God whoa badoned htem, maybe. Which si forme motons too. And therefore, quite logical. Whether this is their feeling or not, I do not say. Nope. Gods would have to exist before they could go away. There's no logical reason to believe they were ever here. : OK, Spock was half human, and had emotions at leats ocne. This guy is more liek Tuvock from Voyager. Full of shit, I mean Fully Vulcan. Never claimed to be a Star Trek expert... : Ooh, Umbers again. wlel, I'm not sure God will deny Heaven to someone who just doesn't belive inn Him. There's a lot mroe people breaking a lot mroe Commandments who are worse than atheists. That's way true. Bearing false witness comes to mind... : OK, some have said Heaven's on a diff time than we are, so maybe GOd ahs been away for only 1 day His time, 2000+ years ours. That math is impossible. If the universe is only six thousand years old [yet two hundred billion lightyears across] then it can't be two thousand years. Best case, one day would be two thousand years, and the universe would be fourteen thousand years old. : Um, Jews do ahve a religon, that hasn't been tolerate dmuch by anybody, yet many of oru ideas became Christian ones (Presents for the good, spring time celebration, hiding Maztoh. And God, and Jesus, too.) THis guy keeps making a case aginst himself. What's a maztoh? : And this anti tolertaion is mroe reason for Eternal Hell for you guys, you know. You might as well threaten to send them to Narnia. : I think msot religions do. And I;m not sure if atheists say belivers cna't get in if there is one. Atheists don't waste time wondering who's qualified to get into a mythical club. We have better things to work on. : ISALM! What's Isalm? : Yeah so? Whos ays they are right? Reincarnationc an eb a crok. Can you be reincarnated if you're wearing nonslip souls? : Isn't that two exists then? And did God ever actually say thsoe who do nto believe will nevr get into Heaven? and mroe improtantly, ahs an atheist ever said they will never belive under any circumstances? Nope. Every atheist I've talked to is willing to believe in whichever god is proved to exist first. : : >6) ATHEISM IS CONTRARY TO HUMAN NATURE. Yup. : UM, no one si higer than GOd. every beliver knows htis. SO, you jsut sent yourslef along the oath to eternal Death or HEll. Every believer doesn't know that; every believer claims to believe that. They don't necessarily believe it, but they're kinda locked into the subordinate position by their doctrines. Except for satanists, who are a lot more fun to talk to than JesusCrispies. : And in non, many religions pop up. Can't human nature produce one stroy? Human nature is to disagree and embelish. Even if there was ever a basis for any religion, it's probably quite lost and very boring. : : >Atheists are outcasts and perverts in the history of mankind. : Outcasts I cna see. Perverts? How? He doesn't know what he's talking about. : I think BIll Gates sucks. Yeah. But he's better than most theists =) : : >Surely this proves to you atheists that there are something significant : BUt thta doens't prove there's a god. Just that many do belive in Him. Yup. Why can't more people figure that out... : OK, I belive, but I dnbeounce everything this guy wrote in our defense. Anywya, there's mroe reaosn to belive the atheists are right, than belivers. especially theway these guys do it. It's not that atheists are more convincing. It's that the stories being told by theists make no logical sense. All an atheist has to say about it is 'I don't buy it'. We don't try to sell anyone on an alternate religion; we just don't want to hear about theirs. Although, if you don't believe in Santa, you'll only get coal this year >:) --Gremlin
: IS that even possible? can soemhtign occur that is contrary to one's nature. Doesn't hypnotism say you cna't goa gaisnt your nature? He's grapsing at straws now, isn't he?
: : >and extraordinary about these spiritual leaders.??