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Re: anocondas Sorry, I'm not available snake11215
(44/M/brooklyn,new york city,u.)
10/21/01 5:30 pm
also-most other snakes don't smell like food to them.the exception might be if another snake has just eaten,it may have the scent of food all over them.
 
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Re: anocondas Sorry, I'm not available snake11215
(44/M/brooklyn,new york city,u.)
10/21/01 5:35 pm
of there's one thing i don't like,it's a 20 year old who thinks he's an expert.i've had snakes for over 16 years.i think i know what i'm talking about.you are right about red tail boas,but even they can sense temperature changes with their tongues & skin.actual observation is worth more than a thousand books & websites.
 
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Re: anocondas I'm online now! BMF_17_M
(20/M/six feet under)
10/21/01 5:43 pm
I have gotten my information through 10 years of research and hands on experience. I have observed more snake species than I can count and I have researched more than that.

The main point is that just because you haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it never does happen. What happens in your house or someone elses isn't the rule for all snakes. Also, you have no way to tell whether or not a snake is constricting for defense or feeding, so to say that the response is the same isn't accurate. Like I said before, snakes almost never constrict out of defense, so the likelyhood that you have seen a case where it couldn't have possibly been anything but defense isn't even considerable. If you pose this question in either one of the clubs I mentioned in my last post you will find that many people with more experience and education than you or me will say much the same thing.

BMF
 
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Re: anocondas I'm online now! BMF_17_M
(20/M/six feet under)
10/21/01 5:49 pm
So you've only owned snakes right? Well I have owned snakes for 15 years. In addition to that I have observed many in their natural environments, I volunteer at a reptile rescue where I have had hands on experience with may different species, and I know many people who have extensive experience with large constrictors. I think it just bothers you that a 20 year old might just know more than you. I find your condescending attitude toward this subject sad, but not suprising.

BMF
 
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anocondas Sorry, I'm not available roakes68
(39/M/lakeside ca)
10/21/01 6:48 pm
ive been around snakes for some time. i believe that the only species that would eat other snakes is the annoconda green or yellow
 
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Re: anocondas Sorry, I'm not available snake11215
(44/M/brooklyn,new york city,u.)
10/21/01 8:17 pm
at 20 years old,i don't see how it's possible for you to have the experience that you claim.snakes do constrict when threatened.how can you claim such experience & not know this?i know a numberof snake keepers,& not one of them would agree with your"facts".last i looked,everyone's snakes are fine,so we must have had it right all these years.i observed a burmese for over 15 years,& a boa & a retic for over 7 years.what you say is news to me.
 
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Re: anocondas I'm online now! BMF_17_M
(20/M/six feet under)
10/21/01 11:23 pm
Allright, age isn't the issue here. The point is that ALL snakes WILL take cold blooded food, period. Snakes, lizards or otherwise. However uncommon it is it does happen with ALL snake species. And like I said before, just because you have a snake and never see it do something doesn't mean that others don't. If you don't believe me try offering one of your snakes a lizard to eat and see if it refuses it. You need to get off this "I'm older so I'm right" kick and listen to another point of view. You don't have agree, but don't be some pretentious ass just because you don't. Oh, and by the way, while hands on experience does count for a lot, books and other sources of information will give you insight from other people's experience that you will never get on your own. I have been passionate about reptiles since I can remember, and because of that passion I have dedicated most of my life to keeping them, learning about them, and doing my part to educate people who are uninformed or misinformed so that these beautiful animals don't suffer in captivity. Through my volunteer work with my reptile rescue I have seen many cases of large constrictors that have been mistreated and have had serious health problems as a result (this includes injuries from fighting among large constrictors OTHER than anacondas). All I ask is that if you're going to give advice, make sure it's accurate. If you only "know" what happens in your little corner of the world then you are missing out on tons of information that is very beneficial. There is always something new to learn about herps, and sometimes things that the public has accepted as truth is later proven to be untrue. If you don't learn about them through proffesional research and other peoples experience other than your own then you aren't doing the best for your animals.

BMF
 
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Re: anocondas Sorry, I'm not available snake11215
(44/M/brooklyn,new york city,u.)
10/22/01 12:02 am
do you know the reason why a"docile"snake doesn't attack?not because he likes you like a dog does,but because he has no reason to attack.give him a reason,& watch how fast he'll bite you.constrictors strike for only 2 reasons-food & fear.they attack other snakes either because the other snake smelled like something that they interpreted as food,or they felt a threat from the other snake,which is very unusual.i've had the following combinations live together without a problem-burmese/retic,burmese/boa,retic/boa,retic/ball.you are not even old enough to be a college graduate,& you come off like you're some phd.you go by textbooks-i go by reality.i have advised people about snakes for years,& i've never been wrong.all of them have big,healthy snakes.textbooks are limited,only good for basics.i know their"head trip",how they see things.you study them-i understand them.
 
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Re: anocondas I'm online now! BMF_17_M
(20/M/six feet under)
10/22/01 12:39 am
I'm not trying to "come off" as anything but someone who happens to know a bit about these animals. You on the other hand come off as someone who is close minded and has to be right without even considering another point of view. I'm simply trying to offer some information that you have apparently overlooked. It's obvious to me that you can't debate an issue without attacking some irrelevant age issue. And for your information I am attending college studying vetrinary medicine specializing in reptiles. After that I plan to get a degree in zoology and herpetology. I have had more schooling than you already and in 8 years I will have a PHD. Also, I have had hands on experience with burmese pythons, indian pythons, spotted pythons, macklots pythons, carpet pythons (jungle and coastal), red tails, true red tails, mexican boas, central american boas, ball pythons, rosy boas, rainbow boas, retics, african rocks, amazon and emerald tree boas, ANACONDAS (both green and yellow), and about 15 or so other species of colubrids and vipers. As pets I keep a burmese python, two redtail boas, a ball python, a grey banded kingsnake and an albino corn snake in addition to a savanah monitor and two green iguanas. So please don't tell me I don't have any experience. You don't know anything about me and I don't presume to know anything about you.

You are still missing the main point here and that is that large constrictors do eat cold blooded prey. They don't feed on other snakes very often but it does happen. It is uncommon, and very unlikely, but it does happen from time to time. They also feed on other reptiles primarily when they are younger as most other species don't get large enough to be considered food when the snake is an adult.

I have posted a picture of an african rock python constricting a crocodile. I'm sure you'll just dismiss it as "defense" or something but if that's the close minded way you want to look at it then so be it.

BMF
 
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Re: anocondas Sorry, I'm not available banana_retic
(21/M/Marlborough, Wiltshire)
10/22/01 4:32 pm
I have never seen of heard of that, thanks for the info, adding to the knowledge all the time....
The only snakes I know to eat there own are king cobra and kingsnakes but there not boids.
Cheers
Colin / Ging-a
colin@wessex.net
www.reticulated.co.uk
 
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