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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
BMF_17_M
(20/M/six feet under)
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10/26/01 4:41 pm |
The difference here is that skating does not
involve the proper care of living animals. When it comes
to thing of that nature you can believe whatever you
like and the only safety you have to worry about is
your own. When you speak of reptiles on the other
hand, giving out inaccurate information can have an
extremely detrimental effect on the health and happiness of
the animals in question.
I have no problems
with individuality and would be considered by most as
going against the norm in damn near everything I do.
When you speak of reptiles however, you can't just do
things how you like without having concrete facts and
accurate reliable information to back you up. You think
your tiny bit of experience is enough but I and plent
of others can tell you that you don't know nearly as
much as you think you do. Do yourself and your animals
a favor and swallow your pride and admit that you
don't have all the answers, especially on this
subject.
Also, just because you may not have had any problems
yet doesn't mean you are doing everything right. All
it means is that you haven't had any problems
YET.
BMF
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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
snake11215
(44/M/brooklyn,new york city,u.)
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10/26/01 7:29 pm |
you want a compromise?-this is what i'll admit
to-when i made the original statement,i only considered
the 5 most commonly kept large constrictors:common
columbian/peruvian red tail boa,ball python,burmese python,african
rock python & reticulated python.according to at least
4 books that i have,none of these take cold blooded
prey,nor have i ever observed any one of them to do so.my
experience with these species is far from limited-in
fact,it's quite extensive.i know only the most basic things
about the other large constrictors,mainly because very
few keep them as pets(too expensive).you are 100%
wrong about housing any of the species that i mentioned
together.if you were correct,there would have been at least
one incident by now(15 years).on the contrary-they
curl up together for warmth,& almost seem to enjoy
each others company.in this area,your"facts"are simply
wrong.besides,not one book supports you on this.don't you think at
least one would mention it?just the opposite-i read an
article that says that you can house several snakes
together.what i don't like about you is your attitude.i am
older than you & have much more life experience.it is
just not your place to come off to me like you did.you
may be a snake expert,but you really need to learn
proper respect(reprinting someone's statements,&
disecting them in a mocking tone is not respect-in
fact,where i grew up,it could get you killed!).if you can't
grasp what i'm saying,that only proves my point.
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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
BMF_17_M
(20/M/six feet under)
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10/26/01 8:10 pm |
You obviously didn't look at the picture I posted
of an african rock python constricting a crocodile.
The books you are refering to must be of the five
dollar, pet store variety or they are seriously out
dated. Also, anyone who promotes cross species housing
is naive at best. Housing like species is
debateable, but isn't recomended by most experts. Like I said
before, I volunteer at a reptile rescue. I have seen
first hand what practices like this result in. There is
always that 1 animal out of every 10 or so though, the
one that hasn't been given the proper care from day
one and somehow is fine. You are not keeping your
snakes in the proper manner. Snakes are territorial and
will have disputes from time to time. Just because you
have kept yours together for a long time doesn't mean
they will never fight. In fact, I have known and heard
of people who have kept different species in the
same enclosure for years, even longer than you in some
cases, just to come home one day and find one or both
snakes dead. In some cases the loser was eaten, and this
does include large constrictors. Also, iguanas are
instinctively afraid of snakes. Do you know why? Because red
tail boas are one of their only natural predators.
Burmese pythons eat many different species of lizard as a
large percentage of their diet when they are juveniles.
As do red tails, african rocks, and retics. And by
the way, ball pythons are not considered large
constrictors. If you were to include them then you would have
to include at least a dozen other species, including
almost all of the species that najaboy69 mentioned
previously, as well as rosy boas, who feed almost exclusively
on reptiles. By that token you would have to include
some species of king snake as well as they can get
larger than ball pythons. The fact is that nearly all
snake species from all over the world incorporate cold
blooded prey in their diets at some point in their
life.
The other point here is that attitude has nothing to
do with this argument no matter how much you would
like to act like it does. Like you expect us to
believe that if we acted like you really knew as much as
you think you do that you would listen to us. The
simple truth here is that you started the bad attitude
when you decided to attack my age when you couldn't
defend your weak information and naive assumptions. You
have shown a lack of respect from the moment someone
called you on your BS info. Extensive experience doesn't
come from having an animal as a pet for a few years.
It comes from dealing with many different snakes of
the same species as well as observing them in
environments other than your home. It comes from speaking with
people who have done actual field research on these
species and reading books and watching films created by
reputable people. It comes from knowing breeders who deal
with many of these species on a daily basis. You have
stated yourself that you don't have any experience other
than what you have seen in your home, or what your
friends are doing. That is extremely limited in scope.
Experience is not only measured in time, but also in
variety.
BMF
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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
najaboy69
(27/M/MI)
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10/27/01 10:33 am |
The hypocrisy of snakes11215 continues- so to do
the dissection of his nonsensical posts.
"you
want a compromise?"
Nope.
"this is what i'll
admit to-when i made the original statement,i only
considered the 5 most commonly kept large
constrictors:common columbian/peruvian red tail boa,ball
python,burmese python,african rock python & reticulated
python"
Well, its nice to see that you admit to spouting off
about that which you know nothing. Unfortunately, your
original claim was in regards to all large constrictors,
which encompasses several dozen species. Funny thing
is, even though you narrowed it down significantly,
you're still incorrect on several counts: 1.) Four of
the five species that you named readily prey on other
reptiles, 2.) the Columbian and Peruvian boa are not one in
the same, 3.) the listing of "five most commonly
kept" is subjective and debatable.
"according to
at least 4 books that i have,none of these take cold
blooded prey"
Interesting that you fall back on the
books which you so heavily criticize.
"nor have
i ever observed any one of them to do so.my
experience with these species is far from limited-in
fact,it's quite extensive"
You give yourself too much
credit. Experience with only a handful of snakes hardly
qualifies as 'extensive'.
"i know only the most
basic things about the other large constrictors,mainly
because very few keep them as pets(too
expensive)."
Apparently not even the basics either. Most Indo-Australian
pythons are inexpensive and commonly kept and
bred.
"you are 100% wrong about housing any of the species
that i mentioned together"
Please take a moment yo
research the natural histories and environmental
requirements of each animall that you keep. Also, dio a little
bit of homework into the health aspects of
it.
"besides,not one book supports you on this.don't you think at
least one would mention it?
Mader, Klingenberg,
Ross, Frye, Ackerman, Conant, and the list goes
on.
"i read an article that says that you can house
several snakes together."
Really, I read an article
saying that the events of 11 September were justified.
Does that make it true? Hell no.
"what i don't
like about you is your attitude"
The same can be
said for you. You are intentionally obtuse,
hypocritical, and so stuck on yourself that it's providing
several people with comic relief.
"i am older than
you & have much more life experience"
Older..yes.
More life experience...doubtful. The tenor of your
posts is indicative of a not-so-blissful ignorance of
all that you encounter.
"it is just not your
place to come off to me like you did."
Bear in mind
that BMF tactfully corrrected your misinformation. He
'came off' to yuo politely, and you were the one who
was rude & offensive. By the way brightboy, its
everyone's place to correct gross misinformation such as
that wwhich you spout off.
"but you really need
to learn proper respect"
Pot, kettle, black. I'd
stop sticking my foot in my mouth if I were you.
Respect is a concept which you have no
concept.
"reprinting someone's statements,& disecting them in a
mocking tone is not respect"
You're correct, but then
again, you deserve no respect. Normally everyone is
afforded a certain degree of respect, unless they prove
otherwise- which you have aptly done.
"fact,where i
grew up,it could get you killed!"
Wow, I'm
impressed. No, not really.
"if you can't grasp what
i'm saying,that only proves my point."
That you're
depriving a villiage of their idiot? You've already proven
that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
snake11215
(44/M/brooklyn,new york city,u.)
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10/27/01 1:18 pm |
this is a warning-stop now.
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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
BMF_17_M
(20/M/six feet under)
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10/27/01 2:25 pm |
Is this supposed to be a threat? Sorry if you
can't hear me laughing. It doesn't suprise me at all
that you would resort to such a childish statement.
The reality is that if didn't keep digging this hole,
we wouldn't keep filling it in on you. Most
intelligent people I know would not only would have the sense
to admit when they are wrong, but also know when
they can't win an argument.
BMF
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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
boadiva
(25/F/TX)
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10/27/01 2:38 pm |
Hey folks...how about just agreeing to disagree?
Keep the peace.
The Diva.
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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
evilcoffeechick
(21/F/Denver, Colorado)
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10/27/01 2:55 pm |
I'm not entirely sure this is an 'agree to disagree' situation. It's not a matter of opinion over which animal is 'better', it's a matter of someone disputing a known fact.
~Hunter
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Re: anocondas (part IV) |
boadiva
(25/F/TX)
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10/27/01 3:06 pm |
Right, but if someone wants to dispute it, that's their right, and sometimes no amount of discussion is going to change their mind.
Just playing the peacemaker. :)
The Diva
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